{"id":1082,"date":"2015-04-13T08:20:41","date_gmt":"2015-04-13T07:20:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.xarcom.net\/blog\/?p=1082"},"modified":"2015-04-13T10:21:10","modified_gmt":"2015-04-13T09:21:10","slug":"1and1-y-las-blacklist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.xarcom.net\/index.php\/1and1-y-las-blacklist\/","title":{"rendered":"1and1 y las blacklist"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1><strong>1and1 \/ Blacklists y Delist desde 1and1<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p>Qu\u00e9 fue primero el huevo o la gallina, este es el dilema que tienes cuando 1and1 te introduce en su RBL interna, preguntas est\u00fapidas, conclusiones frustrantes, inoperatividad.<\/p>\n<p>A que administrador de servidores de correo no lo ha ocurrido jam\u00e1s de entrar en una Blacklist. Se sufre y se suda sangre, las llamadas comienzan a venir y todo es un infierno.<\/p>\n<p>\u00bfQu\u00e9 sucede si a adem\u00e1s de este infierno le a\u00f1adimos a que un Proveedor de Servicios como <strong>1and1<\/strong> se pasa por el forro el que tus ips ya no est\u00e9n baneadas o listeadas o blacklisted en ning\u00fan sitio del planeta, pero si en en suyo?<\/p>\n<p>\u00bfQu\u00e9 sucede cuando adem\u00e1s de esto se a\u00f1ade a la mezcla que much\u00edsimos dominios y empresas est\u00e1n gestionados por este gigante?<\/p>\n<p>Os contar\u00e9 brevemente lo que sucede cuando <strong>1and1<\/strong> efect\u00faa a la perfecci\u00f3n su faceta de \u00abyo soy limpio y t\u00fa no\u00bb, lo que ocurre es que cuando esto sucede no das cr\u00e9dito a lo que est\u00e1 sucediendo. No te explicas como una empresa como <strong>1and1<\/strong> es capaz de meterte en una lista y no es capaz de sacarte con cierta rapidez.<\/p>\n<p>Todos los administradores sabemos que cuando entras en una lista negra o blacklist, de la misma manera que entras sales, primero bloqueas el problema, lo controlas, erradicas, y posteriormente efect\u00faas delist en las blacklist que hayas sido metido. Todo ahora es cuesti\u00f3n de horas, propagaci\u00f3n por la red y paciencia.<\/p>\n<p>En el caso de <strong>1and1<\/strong> ya no es cuesti\u00f3n de propagar por la red y paciencia. Ellos tienen sistemas cerrados, en los que a\u00f1aden autom\u00e1ticamente nuevos inputs por lectura de las webs dedicadas al control de antispam como spamhaus.org, pero luego una vez ya te han metido en esas \u00absus listas\u00bb para ser quitado tienes que llamar, abrir un caso y rezar que se haga efectiva esa limpieza en sus bases de datos no antes de 5 \u00f3 6 d\u00edas laborables.<\/p>\n<p>\u00bfQu\u00e9 es lo m\u00e1s gracioso de aventurarte en un delist en <strong>1and1<\/strong>? Lo m\u00e1s divertido cuando un servicio externo a\u00a0<strong>1and1<\/strong> quiere efectuar un delist es la cordialidad de los intermediarios que te atienden. Se piensan que cuando alguien les llama es para solucionar algo de las propios sistemas de\u00a0<strong>1and1<\/strong>, pero no!, es para pedirles rogarles y mendigarles que hagan el favor de retirar la losa de 100000Kg de \u00absu blacklist\u00bb.<\/p>\n<p>La facilidad con la que te han metido en su <strong>1and1 blacklist<\/strong>\u00a0choca con la pasividad y parsimonia de los administradores de <strong>1and1<\/strong>\u00a0en Alemania con la que se muestran a la hora de efectuarte el delist, mientras tanto te van dando de mensajes de \u00abno se preocupe, nuestros administradores est\u00e1n con ello\u00bb, \u00abno se preocupe, el caso todav\u00eda no est\u00e1 cerrado\u00bb, mientras tanto no se dan cuenta, que por su mala gesti\u00f3n en la tramitaci\u00f3n de incidencias, ineficiencia entre el Call Center de Espa\u00f1a y los Administradores de Alemania del KUNDESERVER y sus maravillosas e ingestionables blacklist internas, hay un mont\u00f3n de clientes suyos que no pueden recibir emails de una ip que no est\u00e1 en ninguna Blacklist. Y por contrapartida un mont\u00f3n de clientes nuestros que no pueden enviar al KUNDESERVER\u00a0<strong>1and1<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Lo peor de todo esto es que da la sensaci\u00f3n que como que <strong>1and1<\/strong> es una empresa grande, siempre el ineficiente es el peque\u00f1o, pero no es as\u00ed, el ineficiente y monstruo pesado es <strong>1and1<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Todo siempre nos lleva a este maravilloso mensaje de <strong>1and1<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Viene a decir que por la seguridad de sus clientes, por ello utilizan una RBL interna para as\u00ed poder bloquear a determinados hosts, y les importa luego 3 narices en revisar si es correcto o no, luego los administradores de <strong>1and1<\/strong> se tiran 6 d\u00edas para verificar si es cierto que el host sobre el que aplican el castigo ya es correcto para ellos o no<\/p>\n<h5><em><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">We\u2019d like to protect our customers as well as our own servers from the hazards and risks of open relays as a well-known source for UBE\/spam.<\/span><\/em><br \/>\n<em><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">That\u2019s why we\u2019re using internal RBL-style lists for blocking certain hosts.<\/span><\/em><\/h5>\n<h5><em><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Since RBL-style lists mean that we\u2019d give out an important configuration option to a third party without any possibility to alter the data or the checks and these changes directly affect many customers, we don\u2019t want to rely on third-party services.<\/span><\/em><br \/>\n<em><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">That\u2019s why we\u2019re building our own service.<\/span><\/em><\/h5>\n<h5><em><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">When our mail cluster receives mail from a host, this host is scheduled to be checked for being an open relay (see <a style=\"color: #ff0000;\" href=\"http:\/\/mail-abuse.org\/tsi\/\">http:\/\/mail-abuse.org\/tsi\/<\/a> for closer information on the subject of such unsecured mail servers and how to fix this security problem). Relaytest.kundenserver.de attempts to relay a mail via this host and as soon as the mail is received at relaytest.kundenserver.de, we\u2019ll list the affected host as an open relay.<\/span><\/em><\/h5>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<h5><em><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><a style=\"color: #ff0000;\" href=\"http:\/\/relaytest.kundenserver.de\/faq\/\">Frequently Asked Questions<\/a><\/span><\/em><\/h5>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h5><em><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><a style=\"color: #ff0000;\" href=\"http:\/\/relaytest.kundenserver.de\/view.php\">View<\/a> the status of a host in our database.<\/span><\/em><\/h5>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h5><em><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><a style=\"color: #ff0000;\" href=\"http:\/\/relaytest.kundenserver.de\/stats.php\">Database Statistics<\/a><\/span><\/em><\/h5>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>1and1 \/ Blacklists y Delist desde 1and1 Qu\u00e9 fue primero el huevo o la gallina, este es el dilema que tienes cuando 1and1 te introduce en su RBL interna, preguntas est\u00fapidas, conclusiones frustrantes, inoperatividad. 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